What the US government is doing here is a perversion of justice. Anyone running web services critical of those in control of the US government should be extremely concerned.
ocodo · 2026-08-28 11:06:10 UTC
and we never even saw it coming... sigh.
mindslight · 2026-08-26 17:09:09 UTC
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
But at this point "To prove this, let facts be submitted to a candid world" is seemingly more relevant.
Luker88 · 2026-08-26 17:19:27 UTC
This means that all involved will have their google/apple/whatever account blocked and revoked, correct?
No more services from the USA.
Their websites seems to be based on gandi.net, and this document is threatening secondary sanctions. Will be interesting to check the fallout.
I hope the guys will be able to scramble and move registrars and backup all their data from any service they use personally.
Good luck.
edelbitter · 2026-08-26 17:20:17 UTC
Why US financial sanctions against an EU-based non-profit? Making it harder to accept money from the US does not seem like quite the right tool. Are they known to be primarily sponsored by US individuals, or depending on other service providers with US presence?
eesmith · 2026-08-26 17:33:40 UTC
It means no use of Visa or American Express bank cards, which are US companies.
I think SWIFT transactions are under US control.
No use of Apple, Google, Amazon, AirBnB, Uber, or other US-based services.
And, of note, online payments across EU countries is most often done with American payment methods. Most Chinese companies only take US-based payment methods.
Such a sanction really narrows down where they can buy online — it's not just the US that becomes off-limits.
majormajor · 2026-08-27 00:05:18 UTC
Every day it seems a little weirder how many of these other countries are apparently passively tolerating the US/Google/Apple/etc-centric nature of parts of their internal economy.
numpad0 · 2026-08-27 00:29:06 UTC
The US had THAT much trust, not necessarily influence, which just went down the drain.
owlsarewhatthey · 2026-08-28 08:27:05 UTC
In Europe, "US had trust" only in the "free" european media, and among politicians..
People knew and know quite well what US was and is, besides the leading academia (many, if not most, lured there by money from other countries) and the holywood circus.
And no, it is not "because of Trump".
Nemo_bis · 2026-08-27 08:49:56 UTC
The objective is to target USA citizens who host their blogs there. Italian banks, EU-based payment processors and domain registrars will still block you if you are sanctioned by the USA Treasury, to avoid being cut off the global financial system.
krunck · 2026-08-27 15:02:29 UTC
Being designated a "terrorist" by the USA means it can use ANY means to destroy you: overt violence, subversion, propaganda, and financial.
Not that the USA NEEDS to apply that designation to use those methods....
tyrabound · 2026-08-26 17:20:27 UTC
The far more worrying development is that Tyrant Trump has declared the Palestine Action organization an official terrorist organization, to whatever degree it is an organization at all. Have there actually been threats or acts of violence with political objectives or are we just now calling everything the ruling maniacs don't like a terrorist, as I predicted before the "patriot" act was magically pulled out of a desk on 9/12 and rammed through congress in 6 weeks, before the dust had even settled over the rubble of the twin towers?
That should worry anyone, regardless of whether you agree with them or not unless they have perpetrated some kind of violent acts to scare people in pursuit of political aims like the US government. Trump may only be able to be a Tyrant for about 31 more months at best unless he goes full tilt, but the precedent he is setting will be used against any and all civic and resistance organizations that the ruling maniacs don't like in the future too.
I do not say this lightly, but everyone should be getting serious about what their plans will be when tyranny goes full mask off in the USA and your house and your land and your stuff all the sudden is said to belong to someone else and if you oppose that, you are a terrorist whose children deserve to be shot in the head by government snipers as the try to get water so they don't die of dehydration. No one ever thinks it will affect them, but you are already in the cage, the door is just not closed yet and it's clad in a pleasant facade. What happens when the psychopathic Epstein clan is facing total loss of power because the bond market has collapsed from their evisceration of all trust in the USA and they send their police and military goons after you as you try to scrounge for food to feed your family like in Palestine/gaza? You are the Gazans of tomorrow, you just don't know it yet.
vablings · 2026-08-26 17:57:40 UTC
I have been a personal victim to PA's violence and attacks. I could explain more details but essentially, they caused a bunch of damage and assaulted some employees of a workplace simply due to the fact we sold a piece of equipment to our middle eastern distributor that was going to a non-military Israeli company.
The rest of the designations are bullshit
nextaccountic · 2026-08-27 07:56:35 UTC
> they caused a bunch of damage and assaulted some employees
Does this look like terrorism to you?
In the US, people get assaulted for political reasons all the time.
angeldimitrov94 · 2026-08-26 17:29:07 UTC
As long as the same lens is applied equally to far-right and white supremacist groups, then this is fine.
This question is rhetorical with this administration, however.
You know you don't have to always accept government overreach under the guise of "fairness." It's not fair, it was never fair, why are you expecting it to be fair?
Just look at how the US treats "ecoterrorists" versus white supremacist; or if you want historical examples look at how the FBI treated labor groups versus fascists ones in the 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s, and 70s (no need to worry about the decades after, they killed enough leaders to stop leftwing voices in the US).
like_any_other · 2026-08-26 18:54:02 UTC
Labor groups up to and including in the 60s were fiercely anti-immigration [1], and wanted to expand laws like the Chinese Exclusion act. You would call them white supremacist today. But as you say, the FBI did its job, and eventually the unions accepted immigration, just like capital wanted. Now Amazon can release a study showing diversity impedes unions [2], and Wikipedia helpfully summarizes it to give the opposite impression [3], while the FBI can better spend its time investigating "It's okay to be white" as terrorism [4], libeling whites with fabricated extremism cases [5], and taking instruction from the ADL [6].
[3] Factors including racial diversity, proximity to other unions, poverty levels in the surrounding community, and calls to the NLRB were named as contributors to "unionization risk." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Amazon
"You would call [groups from a time when white supremacy was widespread and socially acceptable] white supremacist today" is not the gotcha you seem to think it is.
like_any_other · 2026-08-26 23:56:35 UTC
It's not a "gotcha", it's correcting the GPs deceptive contrast of labor groups versus white supremacists, when they were one and the same.
wat10000 · 2026-08-27 00:02:22 UTC
They contrasted ecoterroists versus white supremacists now, and labor vs fascists in the past.
like_any_other · 2026-08-27 02:32:38 UTC
If you insist on nitpicking, I'll spell it out for you:
> look at how the FBI treated [white supremacist] labor groups versus fascists ones in the 20s [..] no need to worry about the decades after, they killed enough [white supremacist?] leaders to stop [white supremacist??] leftwing voices in the US
So the fact that the labor groups the FBI targeted were white supremacist by today's standards makes those sentences complete nonsense.
wat10000 · 2026-08-27 02:53:52 UTC
If you say so. Makes sense to me, just weird to so specifically call out something that doesn’t distinguish them from half the population at the time.
carlosjobim · 2026-08-27 03:50:25 UTC
Yes, some groups which you would call that have also been designated as terrorist organizations by the US.
tastyface · 2026-08-27 16:34:54 UTC
January sixers got collective pardons and a pat on the head. (Plus a bunch of money IIRC?)
carlosjobim · 2026-08-27 16:53:20 UTC
The state department only designates foreign terrorist organizations, as far as I know.
Damn I had my first email account with them more than 25 years ago. Nice to see they are still around fighting the good fight.
The US govt can go fuck itself, with their agenda in which antifascism has become the big bad monster to replace the evil terrorists of the Bush era. Fight against fascism is still a point of pride in Italy.
comrade1234 · 2026-08-26 17:57:17 UTC
Antifa to me has always been the guys who beat up skinheads. I wonder who they're emailing?
lifestyleguru · 2026-08-26 18:17:35 UTC
A shop with leather jackets
pmpmpmpm · 2026-08-27 08:26:25 UTC
They have to schedule the hourly arguments about anarchy & what it means w the co-op!
While they are not directly in trouble, this is yet one more reason to have a sovereign financial system in Europe. Especially a direct competitor for the credit card networks (VISA, Mastercard) and SWIFT. These are the immediate threats.
Nemo_bis · 2026-08-27 09:00:20 UTC
What do you mean "not directly in trouble"? Their bank account will be blocked.
BrandoElFollito · 2026-08-27 09:29:34 UTC
Sorry, what I meant is that they are Italians and as much as the US would like to exercise extraterritoriality, they are safe in Italy
Nemo_bis · 2026-08-28 09:21:24 UTC
Safe from arrest/execution, you mean? Abu Omar may disagree, but hopefully we won't get that far.
sybercecurity · 2026-08-26 19:08:44 UTC
Declaring a group of "hackers" as global terrorists? Mark off that spot on your Cyberpunk Dystopia Bingo cards.
caycep · 2026-08-26 20:32:19 UTC
granted when I fire up Cyberpunk 2077 nowadays I'm not sure if I'm playing a computer game or a documentary
zen928 · 2026-08-26 23:45:08 UTC
considering the state that cyberpunk was in on it's release lead to so much backlash that Sony and other digital storefronts allowed unconditional full refunds as the developers knowingly shipped out unbuggy untested garbage, I would say you also have a starring role in that documentary by supporting cdprojektred. Might be a game, I respect myself a little too much to engage with it though
GolfPopper · 2026-08-27 07:58:29 UTC
The cyberpunk dystopia we were promised was much more stylish than the cyberpunk dystopia we got.
roughly · 2026-08-27 14:50:08 UTC
Written by artists, built by businessmen and engineers.
mdb333 · 2026-08-26 19:12:09 UTC
Siamo tutti antifascisti!
davidw · 2026-08-26 19:50:03 UTC
Not in the tech industry, apparently. As a 50 year old, it's really shocking to see what I thought were just solid, solid underpinnings of a modern liberal society like "white nationalists are bad and should be ostracized" eroding.
mdb333 · 2026-08-26 21:24:28 UTC
too true, but "dovremmo essere tutti antifascisti!" doesn't have much ooomph to it unfortunately.
sph · 2026-08-26 20:05:09 UTC
Not around these parts, especially not in the European sense.
kelseyfrog · 2026-08-26 19:18:10 UTC
Why can't capitalism be judged on its own merits? Why do we need the state to get involved in shaping hegemony?
deepfriedchokes · 2026-08-26 19:27:49 UTC
You know the answer. There’s a reason the state considers antifa a threat.
antonvs · 2026-08-26 19:29:08 UTC
Capitalism has been judged on its own merits, and been found to be a ridiculously simplistic, unworkable system that tends toward oligarchy, massive inequality, and authoritarianism.
The state needs to get involved to protect the unworkable system.
matkoniecz · 2026-08-26 19:36:45 UTC
Worth noting that at scale larger than family/clan/tribe it beats communism and feudalism on all relevant - to people - metrics.
(though unconstrained capitalism is not ideal)
> unworkable system
? unconstrained pure capitalism has bad effects, but it is not unworkable unlike say pure communism applied at scale larger than a family
antonvs · 2026-08-26 20:12:48 UTC
> Worth noting that at scale larger than family/clan/tribe it beats communism and feudalism on all relevant - to people - metrics.
No, it demonstrably doesn’t. The countries that have the least problems with the issues I mentioned are ones that combine market economics with socialist approaches.
In many ways, those countries are closer to market socialism than they are to pure capitalism.
Also, the US’s historical use of socialism and communism as a bogeyman is starting to look less defensible as China succeeds while the US is failing, and actually doing all the immoral things it used to accuse its opponents of.
matkoniecz · 2026-08-27 08:13:58 UTC
> those countries are closer to market socialism than they are to pure capitalism
so they are closer to capitalism than communism
> US’s historical use of socialism and communism
I never visited USA or America
> China succeeds while the US is failing
Part of China's success was more capitalism and far less communism
(and China's success is in large patch catchup after what Mao et all did)
fodkodrasz · 2026-08-26 19:45:42 UTC
Maybe you are right, at least partially, I can identify many of its flaws myself. However for example my homeland has tried communism/socialism, and went through brief periods of anarchy, and the same can be told about all. My family has lost a lot to all of these experiments (including the current capitalist one), but stability and modest prosperity are the best, and anarchism is as far from that as it gets, especially as represented by the Antifa.
Even the communist regime persecuted anarchism. (though they supported it when it was not at home, as a destabilizing tool)
antonvs · 2026-08-27 02:32:37 UTC
> the same can be told about all.
Because the idea that there's one simple ideologically-based system that's going to solve all problems is simplistic.
Markets are useful, but that doesn't mean that societies should be organized around entirely around markets and private ownership of almost everything as the primary governing principle.
The US has really taken this to an extreme, to the point that it has legally ruled that "money is speech", which essentially guarantees an oligarchy.
Treating capitalism and communism/socialism as two sides of a binary choice is a propaganda trick, basically.
skeledrew · 2026-08-26 19:33:45 UTC
Capitalism "needs to win", but there's no way it can without being ruthlessly forced upon people. Heck even forcing it is just delaying the inevitable decline/crash.
ethagnawl · 2026-08-26 19:53:45 UTC
Certain elements of Capitalism (cough AI) seem to simultaneously be speedrunning its decline and keeping it on life support. What strange times we find ourselves in.
xrd · 2026-08-26 19:24:52 UTC
Rose City Antifa: Oregon gets a shout out. Seriously.
superkuh · 2026-08-26 19:26:16 UTC
The 2001 AUMF (authorization of us of military force) needs to be repealed so that these "special designations" are no longer allowed and war has to be declared. The US federal government will still perform the same acts but at least after the 2001 AUMF is repealed they'll have to go back to secret assassinations. Instead of flouting it in semi-public with the executive disposition matrix system.
turcogutierrez · 2026-08-26 19:27:30 UTC
Where's "antifa" headquarters, exactly? Who's their leader? And who's 2nd in command?
steve1977 · 2026-08-26 19:36:46 UTC
That always reminds me of a graffiti I saw once, which simply commanded "Anarchy!"... the irony of which got a bit lost on the artist I think...
avaer · 2026-08-26 19:49:47 UTC
That doesn't seem ironic at all. It would be ironic if "Anarchy!" had an HQ.
An organization doesn't have to be centralized, just like communists weren't. This is a lazy argument.
compass_copium · 2026-08-26 19:50:48 UTC
There was a national Communist Party as well as several Cominterns. Communists are pretty big on democratic centralism.
Saline9515 · 2026-08-26 20:06:02 UTC
"Several cominterns" - each country had its communist party, meaning a certain level of decentralization.
compass_copium · 2026-08-26 21:16:39 UTC
"Comintern" means "Communist International"--meant to guide the various national parties.
iamnothere · 2026-08-27 01:21:22 UTC
Besides, I don’t usually think of individual national governments as the proper level at which something qualifies as decentralized.
Hizonner · 2026-08-26 20:58:38 UTC
An organization does have to have a clear set of shared plans, toward which it takes a program of coordinated action. That's what an organization is. It's about being organized. A bunch of random individuals who share some opinions, occasionally use similar tactics, may cooperate sporadically, and describe themselves using some term or gravitate toward certain symbols, is not an organization. And it's not clear that "antifa" even does most of those things.
Nor are a bunch of small groups a single "organization" if they don't have some kind of ongoing, systemematic structure for coordinating their actions.
I'm an atheist. That doesn't make atheism an organization.
A unit of organization that was quickly made obsolete and purely symbolic during the era of Stalinism
Saline9515 · 2026-08-27 16:32:12 UTC
It was not real communism, as I was told!
preg_match · 2026-08-27 02:33:26 UTC
The communists were very centralized. They held world governments. Even the American communists were centralized.
carlosjobim · 2026-08-27 03:51:40 UTC
Where's ISIS headquarters? Where's the headquarters of drug gangs?
mjhay · 2026-08-26 19:28:32 UTC
Beyond parody
impossiblefork · 2026-08-26 19:29:14 UTC
Very strange to decide to only supply a communications system to people ideologically aligned with one. That seems like it would make one stand out to an undesirable degree, and it makes me wonder whether these groups actually do this, or whether they're setting others up. If this is correct I almost whether they're going after something set up by the Italian government.
Still, it seems like this would likely to be protected under the US first amendment, and it would probably be reasonable to bring legal action in the US to avoid silly stuff happening in Europe, when this in inevitably used to send goons and annoying infiltrators across the sea to Italy and Europe.
iamnothere · 2026-08-26 19:31:13 UTC
It’s fairly common, given the presence of Disroot and Riseup. The problem for political groups is that they can’t necessarily trust non-aligned hosts not to betray them. A warrant is one thing, you have to comply regardless, but non-aligned hosts may hand over data upon request even if there is no warrant.
impossiblefork · 2026-08-26 19:43:30 UTC
Yeah, but it is possible to make distributed systems.
I've written up a little toy in Erlang where you have lots of connections to peers and send dummy messages, all of the same size, to all your peers continuously and then, because of this, you can obviously send a message to whoever you like without anyone being able to know to whom you sent it. With a bit of extra delay you can add retransmission, and then you can have huge networks. Complete resistance to traffic analysis.
The only thing you need to accept to have this kind of security is to accept that message timing might be 1/s, or 0.1/s, but for things like e-mail that isn't a problem at all.
My system is not done. I had intended to finish it if ChatControl 2.0 passed, but since it didn't, and there's upon that a war on I didn't put it out, and I thought it was a bad idea to popularize this kind of thing since there was a war on, but it's quite straightforward. Many here could probably write something like it.
iamnothere · 2026-08-26 19:46:56 UTC
There are plenty of P2P and anonymous collaboration tools out there, but the problem for these groups is that members will use insecure tools unless they are as convenient and capable as what they are used to. This is the same reason that the government constantly screws up its own opsec. Nontechnical people in any group are a serious problem for maintaining security.
(This is also why law enforcement concerns about encryption are overblown.)
impossiblefork · 2026-08-26 19:49:35 UTC
Yes, but then you have to accept that they can't be part of a group that needs security.
If they aren't willing to do things correctly, not be lazy etc., and you tell them that this means that adversaries will be able to pinpoint them, and pinpoint you and everybody else, and they don't express that they're going to take the effort to be reasonable, then maybe you shouldn't talk to them.
iamnothere · 2026-08-26 19:58:36 UTC
True. If you look at the average person who gets involved in radical politics, many often have issues sticking to a strict security regime. I think this may be why “black bloc” groups and the like are normally smaller splinter groups within the larger movement. Garden variety protestors, activists, and local organizers are probably fine using something like Signal.
godwinson__4-8 · 2026-08-26 20:22:38 UTC
They are splinter groups because they are violent cowards who use mainstream protests (that might actually have a shot of convincing people of something) as a meat shield for their vandalism.
Minneapolis showed us the way. Sandwich guy showed us the way.
The civil rights movement showed us the way.
Black bloc is embarrassing and associated with the consistent failures of post 60s left wing bubble politics.
The most obviously incompetent right wing government in the United States in years, and we are talking about black bloc? How about getting someone capable to make an argument against them instead of resorting to street tactics - literally the one thing this administration is salivating for as it would offer them an opportunity at mainstream redemption.
Left wing politics is truly so depressing. At this point I would respect a movement that openly argued/modeled a path for blue state secession more than the multitude of left wing degenerates who seem to have gotten their civics from V for Vendetta.
iamnothere · 2026-08-26 21:19:26 UTC
I mean, you’re not wrong, but that’s not really on topic.
POSIWID applies to political groups as well. Real change would require hard work, vision, and group discipline. We don’t do that here!
StilesCrisis · 2026-08-26 21:09:43 UTC
Doesn't that scale up terribly? If everyone has 100 friends and is constantly pinging them every second, you're just flooding the internet with junk.
impossiblefork · 2026-08-26 22:08:14 UTC
Yes, but it's fine.
If you receive 10,000 messages per second, that's nothing. That means that you can have 10,000 people online simultaneously with 1 message per second and 100,000 people online simultaneously with 1 message every ten seconds even in the version where there is no retransmission.
godwinson__4-8 · 2026-08-26 20:03:25 UTC
American companies have contested warrants have they not? The jump from request to warrant is not the major hurdle.
Imo people often make the wrong tradeoff here. If the government really wants something jurisdictional questions will not stop them. You're actually inviting them to just steal it at that point.
Better to keep things in the US where there will at least be a clear paper trail. And instead of wasting money on non-aligned infra budget for a half decent lawyer. American companies and citizens will have an easier time holding the American government accountable than "non-aligned" hosts. The current administration in particular is routinely embarrassed in the courts.
Sometimes I read about left wing civic groups and their privacy efforts and it feels delusional. You would think many of them would relish a paper trail of persecution and the publicity of a victorious court battle. The US government will not be deterred because you are hosting something in Europe or your homegrown service. It's really a bit of a joke to think so.
Plus what do you think is going to happen in two years? It feels like now is the time to lean into being on the shit list (if you can manage it - most of them are so ineffective they barely even register) so you can benefit when the tables turn in two years.
iamnothere · 2026-08-26 21:30:31 UTC
To be fair, most US companies aren’t particularly sympathetic to radical politics, and many will cave in with only a little pressure. There may also be concerns of a secret FISA warrant.
The downside of hosting overseas is that you’re exposing yourself to the full NSA toolkit, without the usual fig leaf of legal protection.
Dark web P2P is probably the best option.
You forget that a portion of the radical left truly believes that there won’t be an election.
autoexec · 2026-08-27 16:43:13 UTC
> The downside of hosting overseas is that you’re exposing yourself to the full NSA toolkit, without the usual fig leaf of legal protection.
We know that the NSA is spying on every American, and every communication they make no what the source or destination. Sending traffic overseas might cause the collected data to surface more often or be subjected to additional scrutiny but it's all going to be collected and scanned over either way.
iamnothere · 2026-08-26 19:29:17 UTC
Well this is concerning, hopefully they aren’t planning to go after Disroot and Riseup as well. The ability to access secure hosting shouldn’t depend on political orientation.
john_strinlai · 2026-08-26 19:36:20 UTC
>A/I’s cadre of radical hackers and tech developers provide a full spectrum of services – including encrypted chats and email, web hosting, secure video conferencing and streaming, anonymity shields, and a suite of other technological tools [...] while remaining anonymous, untraceable, and beyond the reach of the law.
ignoring the political leanings, this type of rhetoric will certainly be used to further the campaign against encryption, bolster the case for id verification requirements, etc. it paints the use of everyday normal tools: email, web hosting, etc. as inherently bad if they are private.
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But at this point "To prove this, let facts be submitted to a candid world" is seemingly more relevant.
No more services from the USA.
Their websites seems to be based on gandi.net, and this document is threatening secondary sanctions. Will be interesting to check the fallout.
I hope the guys will be able to scramble and move registrars and backup all their data from any service they use personally.
Good luck.
I think SWIFT transactions are under US control.
No use of Apple, Google, Amazon, AirBnB, Uber, or other US-based services.
Eg, "Canadian judge Kimberly Prost is unable to use credit cards or access everyday services in what she calls an attack on the independence of the judiciary " - https://www.irishtimes.com/world/us/2025/12/12/its-surreal-u...
Such a sanction really narrows down where they can buy online — it's not just the US that becomes off-limits.
People knew and know quite well what US was and is, besides the leading academia (many, if not most, lured there by money from other countries) and the holywood circus.
And no, it is not "because of Trump".
Not that the USA NEEDS to apply that designation to use those methods....
That should worry anyone, regardless of whether you agree with them or not unless they have perpetrated some kind of violent acts to scare people in pursuit of political aims like the US government. Trump may only be able to be a Tyrant for about 31 more months at best unless he goes full tilt, but the precedent he is setting will be used against any and all civic and resistance organizations that the ruling maniacs don't like in the future too.
I do not say this lightly, but everyone should be getting serious about what their plans will be when tyranny goes full mask off in the USA and your house and your land and your stuff all the sudden is said to belong to someone else and if you oppose that, you are a terrorist whose children deserve to be shot in the head by government snipers as the try to get water so they don't die of dehydration. No one ever thinks it will affect them, but you are already in the cage, the door is just not closed yet and it's clad in a pleasant facade. What happens when the psychopathic Epstein clan is facing total loss of power because the bond market has collapsed from their evisceration of all trust in the USA and they send their police and military goons after you as you try to scrounge for food to feed your family like in Palestine/gaza? You are the Gazans of tomorrow, you just don't know it yet.
The rest of the designations are bullshit
Does this look like terrorism to you?
In the US, people get assaulted for political reasons all the time.
This question is rhetorical with this administration, however.
Just look at how the US treats "ecoterrorists" versus white supremacist; or if you want historical examples look at how the FBI treated labor groups versus fascists ones in the 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s, and 70s (no need to worry about the decades after, they killed enough leaders to stop leftwing voices in the US).
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_policies_of_Americ...
[2] Whole Foods' heat map says lower rates of racial diversity increase unionization risks - https://www.businessinsider.com/whole-foods-tracks-unionizat...
[3] Factors including racial diversity, proximity to other unions, poverty levels in the surrounding community, and calls to the NLRB were named as contributors to "unionization risk." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Amazon
[4] Ohio universities involve FBI in investigation of ‘It’s okay to be white’ and white nationalist group’s postings on campus - https://www.thefire.org/news/ohio-universities-involve-fbi-i...
[5] https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/sep/15/biden-accus...
[6] Did you know ADL trains every new FBI agent on their role as protectors of the American people and the Constitution? - https://x.com/ADL/status/472384478464061441
> look at how the FBI treated [white supremacist] labor groups versus fascists ones in the 20s [..] no need to worry about the decades after, they killed enough [white supremacist?] leaders to stop [white supremacist??] leftwing voices in the US
So the fact that the labor groups the FBI targeted were white supremacist by today's standards makes those sentences complete nonsense.
The US govt can go fuck itself, with their agenda in which antifascism has become the big bad monster to replace the evil terrorists of the Bush era. Fight against fascism is still a point of pride in Italy.
The state needs to get involved to protect the unworkable system.
(though unconstrained capitalism is not ideal)
> unworkable system
? unconstrained pure capitalism has bad effects, but it is not unworkable unlike say pure communism applied at scale larger than a family
No, it demonstrably doesn’t. The countries that have the least problems with the issues I mentioned are ones that combine market economics with socialist approaches.
In many ways, those countries are closer to market socialism than they are to pure capitalism.
Also, the US’s historical use of socialism and communism as a bogeyman is starting to look less defensible as China succeeds while the US is failing, and actually doing all the immoral things it used to accuse its opponents of.
so they are closer to capitalism than communism
> US’s historical use of socialism and communism
I never visited USA or America
> China succeeds while the US is failing
Part of China's success was more capitalism and far less communism
(and China's success is in large patch catchup after what Mao et all did)
Even the communist regime persecuted anarchism. (though they supported it when it was not at home, as a destabilizing tool)
Because the idea that there's one simple ideologically-based system that's going to solve all problems is simplistic.
Markets are useful, but that doesn't mean that societies should be organized around entirely around markets and private ownership of almost everything as the primary governing principle.
The US has really taken this to an extreme, to the point that it has legally ruled that "money is speech", which essentially guarantees an oligarchy.
Treating capitalism and communism/socialism as two sides of a binary choice is a propaganda trick, basically.
Nor are a bunch of small groups a single "organization" if they don't have some kind of ongoing, systemematic structure for coordinating their actions.
I'm an atheist. That doesn't make atheism an organization.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_(council)
Still, it seems like this would likely to be protected under the US first amendment, and it would probably be reasonable to bring legal action in the US to avoid silly stuff happening in Europe, when this in inevitably used to send goons and annoying infiltrators across the sea to Italy and Europe.
I've written up a little toy in Erlang where you have lots of connections to peers and send dummy messages, all of the same size, to all your peers continuously and then, because of this, you can obviously send a message to whoever you like without anyone being able to know to whom you sent it. With a bit of extra delay you can add retransmission, and then you can have huge networks. Complete resistance to traffic analysis.
The only thing you need to accept to have this kind of security is to accept that message timing might be 1/s, or 0.1/s, but for things like e-mail that isn't a problem at all.
My system is not done. I had intended to finish it if ChatControl 2.0 passed, but since it didn't, and there's upon that a war on I didn't put it out, and I thought it was a bad idea to popularize this kind of thing since there was a war on, but it's quite straightforward. Many here could probably write something like it.
(This is also why law enforcement concerns about encryption are overblown.)
If they aren't willing to do things correctly, not be lazy etc., and you tell them that this means that adversaries will be able to pinpoint them, and pinpoint you and everybody else, and they don't express that they're going to take the effort to be reasonable, then maybe you shouldn't talk to them.
Minneapolis showed us the way. Sandwich guy showed us the way.
The civil rights movement showed us the way.
Black bloc is embarrassing and associated with the consistent failures of post 60s left wing bubble politics.
The most obviously incompetent right wing government in the United States in years, and we are talking about black bloc? How about getting someone capable to make an argument against them instead of resorting to street tactics - literally the one thing this administration is salivating for as it would offer them an opportunity at mainstream redemption.
Left wing politics is truly so depressing. At this point I would respect a movement that openly argued/modeled a path for blue state secession more than the multitude of left wing degenerates who seem to have gotten their civics from V for Vendetta.
POSIWID applies to political groups as well. Real change would require hard work, vision, and group discipline. We don’t do that here!
If you receive 10,000 messages per second, that's nothing. That means that you can have 10,000 people online simultaneously with 1 message per second and 100,000 people online simultaneously with 1 message every ten seconds even in the version where there is no retransmission.
Imo people often make the wrong tradeoff here. If the government really wants something jurisdictional questions will not stop them. You're actually inviting them to just steal it at that point.
Better to keep things in the US where there will at least be a clear paper trail. And instead of wasting money on non-aligned infra budget for a half decent lawyer. American companies and citizens will have an easier time holding the American government accountable than "non-aligned" hosts. The current administration in particular is routinely embarrassed in the courts.
Sometimes I read about left wing civic groups and their privacy efforts and it feels delusional. You would think many of them would relish a paper trail of persecution and the publicity of a victorious court battle. The US government will not be deterred because you are hosting something in Europe or your homegrown service. It's really a bit of a joke to think so.
Plus what do you think is going to happen in two years? It feels like now is the time to lean into being on the shit list (if you can manage it - most of them are so ineffective they barely even register) so you can benefit when the tables turn in two years.
The downside of hosting overseas is that you’re exposing yourself to the full NSA toolkit, without the usual fig leaf of legal protection.
Dark web P2P is probably the best option.
You forget that a portion of the radical left truly believes that there won’t be an election.
We know that the NSA is spying on every American, and every communication they make no what the source or destination. Sending traffic overseas might cause the collected data to surface more often or be subjected to additional scrutiny but it's all going to be collected and scanned over either way.
ignoring the political leanings, this type of rhetoric will certainly be used to further the campaign against encryption, bolster the case for id verification requirements, etc. it paints the use of everyday normal tools: email, web hosting, etc. as inherently bad if they are private.