the videos just don't hit the same without the dancing anime girl and the electronic dance music.
lol768 · 2026-10-23 16:29:45 UTC
My favourite part from the first video is how much effort it took to drag up from the bottom of the screen to get back to the home-screen. This reflects my experience with how iOS handles touch gestures in general.. also super easy to accidentally activate "Reachability" mode!
ezfe · 2026-10-23 16:53:15 UTC
The reason they're having trouble is because they're in the simulator.
Also, if reachability bothers you like it does me, you can disable it.
mahboi · 2026-10-23 17:17:08 UTC
Seriously I want a physical home button again
dgellow · 2026-10-23 18:00:17 UTC
I will keep my SE 3rd gen a looong time for that specific reason
nomel · 2026-10-23 18:53:04 UTC
You say this, but have you tried an old iPhone recently? I did, and it was actually pretty terrible. The quick little swipes to switch between apps is so much more natural now.
mahboi · 2026-10-23 19:06:37 UTC
Yes, my wife has an iPhone 6, I wish I had that. Though half of that is the jack.
matsemann · 2026-10-23 19:46:34 UTC
Perhaps if you know how. Watching my dad use his iPhone.. Every time have to teach him something new, and hope he remembers it.
So stupid interface. No discoverability.
AlexErrant · 2026-10-23 21:24:20 UTC
I recently learned you can swipe on the address bar in Android-Chrome to navigate to the next/previous tab. Also, press+hold on the tab count button to show the tab's options e.g. close tab. Now my address bar is on the bottom of the screen.
Terrible discoverability. I guess the genalpha kids know gestures like this, but stuff like this makes me feel like a boomer.
nomel · 2026-10-23 22:15:11 UTC
Safari added this in iOS recently. You can also swipe up on the address bar (after tapping it to make it "big") to swipe between pages, similar to the home screen. Found it on accident.
pmontra · 2026-10-24 02:16:23 UTC
Android Firefox had that swipe gesture for a long time. You tap the tabs count to show all tabs. You can close any of them from there. A long tap opens a menu. New tab, new private tab, close tab.
Zetaphor · 2026-10-24 02:26:49 UTC
Whenever I use my wife's iphone I feel like an idiot. I've been working in tech for 20 years
canibal · 2026-10-23 20:41:47 UTC
Try going back to thumb typing, no long press symbols , and no cursor movement from your spacebar. I've almost thrown my test iPhone at work across a room more times than I'd like to admit (since it doesn't belong to me)...
mahboi · 2026-10-23 20:57:31 UTC
I wish. The iPhone 5S is the last one I can reliably type on. Idk what they did to screw up the hitboxes.
efreak · 2026-10-24 19:30:11 UTC
I want a physical home button. I want volume buttons. I want _extra buttons_ on the sides that I can program to do whatever I want, depending on whether or not the screen is on and what app is open.
Edit: hahaha you guys are funny. “The php hack” is what I meant!
awestroke · 2026-10-23 16:31:50 UTC
They found the PHP?
hk__2 · 2026-10-23 16:34:56 UTC
Yes, actually PHP was not invented but discovered in nature. That’s why it’s a bit wild sometimes, because it still remembers its origins.
rob74 · 2026-10-23 16:37:34 UTC
PHP was born as a templating language, but mutated into a programming language, and then grew organically from there.
jc_811 · 2026-10-23 16:42:47 UTC
Craziest part is it was never even intended to be a programming language. From the Wikipedia page, the founder Rasmus Lerdorf is quoted as saying:
"I don't know how to stop it [...] there was never any intent to write a programming language [...] I have absolutely no idea how to write a programming language [...] I just kept adding the next logical step on the way."
And 23 years later here we are with php2shell and it powering 70% of the internet’s websites
karagenit · 2026-10-23 16:48:03 UTC
Everything becomes a programming language in due time. At work we have YAML files with #if and #include statements…
dylan604 · 2026-10-23 16:55:39 UTC
Does that mean eventually a programming language becomes a crab or a crab becomes a programming language?
sneurlax · 2026-10-24 04:00:45 UTC
Crabs are programs
xorcist · 2026-10-23 17:56:38 UTC
Is that before or after it evolves to read mail?
cwnyth · 2026-10-23 16:46:46 UTC
But that only raises the question: what bore PHP? A bit of a C(hicken) and an egg situation.
Zak · 2026-10-23 16:54:04 UTC
I am reasonably certain PHP is not written in Chicken.
I mean there's no way there was any intelligent design behind it
/ducks and runs
rob74 · 2026-10-23 16:35:32 UTC
Didn't know that the PHP was lost, thanks for pointing that out.
bix6 · 2026-10-23 16:36:39 UTC
The Princely Hippopotamus Parlor in this case.
hxugufjfjf · 2026-10-23 16:36:46 UTC
They found the PHP vulnerability that has upended the world, or so it seems.
suralind · 2026-10-23 16:30:13 UTC
I'm not sure if this is real, but if it is: this week is unbelievable. I really hope it's not the new normal, but unfortunately I don't believe this myself.
bananaflag · 2026-10-23 16:31:29 UTC
It's a minuscule part of the new normal.
stuxnet79 · 2026-10-23 16:42:59 UTC
There's every incentive for nation states and other espionage outfits to keep these types of exploits under wraps. This has probably been the new normal for some time ..
I for one have experienced multiple lifetimes worth of internet madness and will be looking to airgap / disconnect as many devices as I can get away with.
unethical_ban · 2026-10-23 16:49:52 UTC
I think in time (a few years) the gap will close a bit. As AI is used to harden software, it will be harder to break. Software not validated by AI will continue to be vulnerable to it.
mrweasel · 2026-10-23 17:23:46 UTC
So what happens if AI becomes something that you need to actually pay real money for? Then only Apple, Google and Microsoft can affort to do network exposed software. Smaller companies and solo developers are just f-ed if the price of running LLMs goes up as investor money dries up.
CircuitSeuss · 2026-10-24 15:32:34 UTC
This assumes that it is possible to actually write truly secure code.
Even of that were possible in the abstract, it would also have to be secure when running on hardware.
I personally don’t believe that perfect security can exist or that we will reach that ideal of somehow being ahead of the curve.
Patches will get better and faster, so will exploits. The stakes will grow. There will always be a human or budget issue.
The only way I see to mitigate the impact is to reduce our reliance on connected systems.
mrweasel · 2026-10-23 17:20:44 UTC
If this continues I'll argue that you have to be absolutely insane to allow network connected electronics into your home in the future. This is Apple, known for locking down their device to the extreme, and yes some people would love to use this for jailbreaking their phones, other organisations want to root your phone for .... other purposes.
Insecure webpages, broken certificates and an insecure PDF library... You shouldn't have anything more connected than an FM radio at this point. Security is no longer something a private individual can deal with.
dofm · 2026-10-23 17:26:50 UTC
> You shouldn't have anything more connected than an FM radio at this point.
They can still hack your mind with ads.
gaiagraphia · 2026-10-23 18:11:17 UTC
People have been paying a premium to companies like Apple for a reason. You've got nothing to worry about.
Decade of people's purchases has been invested into safety and security. It's absolutely unthinkable that a $7t market cap company with an army of 200k workers will ever leave people high and dry. They proudly went public, so we know they have the public's interests at heart.
alt227 · 2026-10-23 18:40:10 UTC
I assuming there is a /s missing from the end of your post.
gaiagraphia · 2026-10-26 01:18:47 UTC
Baby love, where we're going, we won't need an /s to lube us up... :*
devilsdata · 2026-10-23 18:42:50 UTC
> They proudly went public, so we know they have the public's interests at heart.
Hoping more "unsupported" older "iDevices" can be made usable with newer software with something like "jailbreaking"
Waterluvian · 2026-10-23 16:32:54 UTC
It's a felony to subvert the natural order of disposable tech consumerism.
gambiting · 2026-10-23 16:38:57 UTC
I can 100% guarantee that we'll have comments from people saying they buy iPhones specifically because of the walled garden and the last thing they want is a jail broken device. On a website called Hacker News.
travoc · 2026-10-23 16:45:57 UTC
It’s reasonable to like to hack things, but to want a phone that just works.
mebrainmush · 2026-10-23 17:06:18 UTC
Not sure what your definition of "hack" is but apple seems to be "anti hack" on all fronts.
They do have good hardware, but surely the hacker in you is a little sad using an IPhone!
MYEUHD · 2026-10-23 16:46:00 UTC
I like jailbreaks.
But to jailbreak you need to stay on an older iOS version (because Apple patches the bugs enabling the jailbreaks). And that means you don't get security updates.
NetMageSCW · 2026-10-23 18:25:32 UTC
Except for the good old days when jailbreaks included patching the exploit :)
lambdaone · 2026-10-23 16:51:13 UTC
I'm glad to confirm your suspicion. I like to have both a walled-garden phone and several open-platform computers. They do two completely different things for me.
To be honest, I'd like my open computers to be even more open and hackable, with a secure boot path that doesn't involve any mysterious unpatchable embedded firmware or auxiliary CPUs, but we are slowly getting there with RISC V.
Waterluvian · 2026-10-23 16:55:13 UTC
I want the same kind of phone. But I reject the premise that it's impossible to have a deeply nested "De-wall this device yes I know what I am doing yes I confirm I'm about to really open myself to issues if I don't understand the implications" settings option without compromising the walled mode security.
gambiting · 2026-10-23 16:58:31 UTC
The point is that no one forces you to jailbreak your iPhone. If you like the walled garden - great! Keep using it! But I've been in plenty of discussions where iPhone users are literally against jailbreaks at all and in any form.
arjie · 2026-10-23 17:45:43 UTC
I want a device I can give the elderly in my family that they cannot be easily induced into doing insecure things on. If there were an unlockable iPhone and a locked iPhone I want to give them the latter. It’s not enough for me to tell them not to scroll to General and click seven times on About to activate developer mode. I would prefer to just give them a device that can’t do that.
My own parents are still relatively young and my in-laws are sceptical enough of other people that it’s currently safe but it won’t be so forever.
prmph · 2026-10-23 18:09:32 UTC
Mostly agree with you, but:
> My own parents are still relatively young and my in-laws are sceptical enough of other people that it’s currently safe but it won’t be so forever.
It is always interesting to me how people equate getting old with becoming dumb. I know there is definitely some age related decline that's inevitable, but if a person has grown up with computers, and maybe more importantly, has had a hacker and curious mindset while younger, it is not likely that they will suddenly become so naive and vulnerable, even when like 80.
What usually happens is that people lose interest in learning new things and keeping up. My own mom (who passed at 73) could never be convinced to use Whatsapp messaging, thinking it is something complicated for the young ones, and yet I currently know people in their mid 70s and even much older who are still as sharp as anything and use all the cool apps.
NetMageSCW · 2026-10-23 18:24:07 UTC
Sadly there’s also dementia where a gradual decline occurs. And I’m pretty sure learning gets harder.
p1anecrazy · 2026-10-24 07:23:34 UTC
I assume you didn’t have experience of your older relatives being targeted by professional criminals. I’m not talking about online honeytraps, in some countries these gangs will mix offline and online schemes (e.g. pretending to be social workers, driving my grandma to the bank, buying her a new smartphone to get access to her online banking, which were stopped by her luckily “forgetting” her current smartphone/banking PIN code).
That’s for Eastern Europe. I heard a similar line of reasoning for banning rooted phones in Asia and it’s easy for me to relate to that. It seems as if first-world hackers here just don’t grasp how low criminals can and will go.
gambiting · 2026-10-24 07:33:39 UTC
I'm also from eastern Europe. This scenario you mentioned wouldn't be stopped by your inability to jailbreak the device. A criminal gang willing to go this far will just get your relative to send them money directly, or buy gift cards or send a western union transfer or literally just give them cash. Or like you said, they will literally buy your relative a new phone to set up for banking.
prmph · 2026-10-24 10:05:45 UTC
Interesting. I'm actually from Ghana, I guess our criminals have not advanced to that level yet. Nigeria may be a different matter though.
gambiting · 2026-10-23 21:29:44 UTC
>>I want a device I can give the elderly in my family that they cannot be easily induced into doing insecure things on.
Perfect, I knew this would come up. It always does. "I don't want someone to convince my elderly relative to hack their phone and do something bad". It's such an infuriating argument - no, YOU can't have freedom to do whatever you want with the device you own, because MY elderly relative might get scammed.
>>I would prefer to just give them a device that can’t do that.
There are a number of phones available that can just do calls and nothing else. If your elderly relative cannot follow the most basic advice of "don't listen to people calling you and telling you to do something on your phone" then that's all they should use.
Like, honestly - if you think your elderly relative will follow a 20 step process to go to a dodgy site, run a bunch of commands to jailbreak their phone, then download an alternative store to MAYBE download a dodgy bank app....what stops them from just following instructions from a scammer to send their money urgently to this account they named because the bank is doing maintenance on their servers and the money needs to be moved now or be lost? I love these "elderly relatives" who simultaniously don't have 2 brain cells and will follow jailbreaking instructions but who won't fall for any much easier scam involving direct transfers, gift cards or even good old fashioned cash in an envelope.
arjie · 2026-10-23 21:43:08 UTC
You can do whatever you want with what you own. And I want this restricted device. So you go be the market for yours and I’ll be the market for mine. I don’t understand what the problem is here. There are no shortage of phones on the market - many of them entirely rootable. It seems like you’re upset I want to buy an EV because you want to put gas in your car. Just go buy the gas car. No one is stopping you here (well except the EU I suppose haha).
gambiting · 2026-10-23 22:44:34 UTC
>> And I want this restricted device
>>I don’t understand what the problem is here.
That's the problem. There should be no restricted devices at all, not in the way currently presented by Apple and others.
>>It seems like you’re upset I want to buy an EV because you want to put gas in your car.
More like, you want to buy a car that's locked to only charging at Apple provided charging stations. I say every car sold should be able to charge anywhere from any station. But we're stretching the comparison thin.
erelong · 2026-10-24 00:45:40 UTC
I share your sentiments but I wonder realistically how far we are from AI just "jailbreaking all the things", rendering the conversation moot
Like they can try to lock some things down, and some of those barriers we may not be able to get around, but how much of enough of them will we be able to circumvent?
Ideally this would probably not affect newer hardened devices but could unlock a bunch of older otherwise "unusable" hardware that functionally is "e-waste" currently
p1anecrazy · 2026-10-24 07:33:07 UTC
> There are a number of phones available that can just do calls and nothing else.
iPhone is this phone. Easiest to use, customer-friendly, options for limiting apps, large icons etc.
But for some reason, despite the dominance of Android phones on the market, custom smartphones being released almost every month, you want the foolproof layer to be stripped from iPhone. Why?
gambiting · 2026-10-24 08:12:29 UTC
>>iPhone is this phone. Easiest to use, customer-friendly, options for limiting apps, large icons etc.
And no one is forcing you or your elderly relative to jailbreak it.
>> you want the foolproof layer to be stripped from iPhone
No, I want you(and me) to have the ability to strip it.
>>Why?
Because I want to be able to jailbreak the device I own and run the code that I write without asking Apple for their blessing. It's not any more complicated than this.
p1anecrazy · 2026-10-24 13:35:04 UTC
Got your point. Is it because Apple is the biggest vendor that does not allow that and you believe they should as any other or because you like iPhones, are happy with owning one but want (reasonably) to have full control over device that you own?
gambiting · 2026-10-24 21:50:45 UTC
It's because I'm a developer and I want to make apps, publish them and sell them to people without asking for permission from Apple. You know, just like you can make a part for a Mercedes and you can sell that anywhere without asking for permission from Mercedes.
zarzavat · 2026-10-24 00:40:36 UTC
Just make enabling jailbroken mode require a factory reset of the device.
The biggest risk is not elderly people but rather the owner giving their passcode to someone else, e.g. a repair shop, who then enables jailbroken mode without the owner's knowledge and installs malware.
You can mitigate this problem, and the elderly person problem, by requiring the phone to be factory reset. That way any jailbreak would be extremely obvious.
NetMageSCW · 2026-10-23 18:22:59 UTC
Windows malware that says stuff like click Yes on the warning bar or box shows how well that works.
iririririr · 2026-10-24 05:42:15 UTC
sounds like those rich college kids who pretend to be intellectual communists.
Vaushite · 2026-10-23 16:51:58 UTC
The meaning of Hacker here is VC Startup Founder
wuhhh · 2026-10-23 17:01:13 UTC
You said what I was thinking. If anyone has links for _hacker_ news drop them here ;)
Vaushite · 2026-10-23 17:09:57 UTC
Can't, I'd be autobanned, but this one is allowed at least: https://unslop.news/
Earlier today on the thread about the google play store apocalypse I posted a comment saying that I like some things about life in Apple's walled garden. But I still upvoted the parent comment because it's true and it's funny.
Also I'd happily jailbreak my iPhone and put an alternative OS on it to extend its lifespan. I'm a living human with nuanced opinions and I'm allowed to like more than one thing.
fhdkweig · 2026-10-23 17:09:32 UTC
I got curious when you mentioned "google play store apocalypse", but I can't seem to find a comment of yours on the topic today. Would you be willing to post a link?
Having control over one's device and allowing anything and everything to have free reign on said device are two different things.
I'd love to have more control and customizability that the user can initiate, but random executables shouldn't be able to so much as sneeze without my permission. Third party software (yes, even the FLOSS variety due to issues such as supply chain compromises) must be treated as adversarial by default, anything less is foolishness.
pishpash · 2026-10-23 18:05:12 UTC
Yeah, this gives a new meaning to demanding your password at the border.
NetMageSCW · 2026-10-23 18:24:56 UTC
Why would you trust the user with their own security. Have you not seen the ten most common passwords?
foltik · 2026-10-23 19:22:37 UTC
You’re engaging in bad faith, and parroting the same false equivalence between security and user freedom that Apple uses to keep a chokehold on their software distribution monopoly.
Having some way to unlock an iPhone doesn’t at all imply it must be done in a way that reduces security, or trusts the average user with upholding it.
Use your imagination. They could require you to have an apple developer account. Or visit an apple store. Or even limit it to a special developer unlocked iPhone flavor.
2III7 · 2026-10-23 16:58:20 UTC
I converted to an iphone 13 mini (from the S24 Ultra) after being on Android since the release of the HTC Desire in 2010. I used to install custom roms and tweak everything on all of my Android phones which actually lead me to the iphone because I realized I wanted a phone without all the OE clutter and Google crap. The only clutter on the iphone is icloud which stays out of the way and doesn't annoy me with subscription messages. Also I don't have time to fuck around with modifying my phone. I just want everything to work without user intervention.
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Also, if reachability bothers you like it does me, you can disable it.
So stupid interface. No discoverability.
Terrible discoverability. I guess the genalpha kids know gestures like this, but stuff like this makes me feel like a boomer.
https://xxcancel.com/calif_io/status/2113570095549337977
Edit: hahaha you guys are funny. “The php hack” is what I meant!
"I don't know how to stop it [...] there was never any intent to write a programming language [...] I have absolutely no idea how to write a programming language [...] I just kept adding the next logical step on the way."
And 23 years later here we are with php2shell and it powering 70% of the internet’s websites
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_(Scheme_implementation...
/ducks and runs
I for one have experienced multiple lifetimes worth of internet madness and will be looking to airgap / disconnect as many devices as I can get away with.
Even of that were possible in the abstract, it would also have to be secure when running on hardware. I personally don’t believe that perfect security can exist or that we will reach that ideal of somehow being ahead of the curve. Patches will get better and faster, so will exploits. The stakes will grow. There will always be a human or budget issue.
The only way I see to mitigate the impact is to reduce our reliance on connected systems.
Insecure webpages, broken certificates and an insecure PDF library... You shouldn't have anything more connected than an FM radio at this point. Security is no longer something a private individual can deal with.
They can still hack your mind with ads.
Decade of people's purchases has been invested into safety and security. It's absolutely unthinkable that a $7t market cap company with an army of 200k workers will ever leave people high and dry. They proudly went public, so we know they have the public's interests at heart.
God I hope this is sarcasm.
More recently: iPhone Duo Jailbreak vid https://x.com/calif_io/status/2113570095549337977 (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50206680)
They do have good hardware, but surely the hacker in you is a little sad using an IPhone!
But to jailbreak you need to stay on an older iOS version (because Apple patches the bugs enabling the jailbreaks). And that means you don't get security updates.
To be honest, I'd like my open computers to be even more open and hackable, with a secure boot path that doesn't involve any mysterious unpatchable embedded firmware or auxiliary CPUs, but we are slowly getting there with RISC V.
My own parents are still relatively young and my in-laws are sceptical enough of other people that it’s currently safe but it won’t be so forever.
> My own parents are still relatively young and my in-laws are sceptical enough of other people that it’s currently safe but it won’t be so forever.
It is always interesting to me how people equate getting old with becoming dumb. I know there is definitely some age related decline that's inevitable, but if a person has grown up with computers, and maybe more importantly, has had a hacker and curious mindset while younger, it is not likely that they will suddenly become so naive and vulnerable, even when like 80.
What usually happens is that people lose interest in learning new things and keeping up. My own mom (who passed at 73) could never be convinced to use Whatsapp messaging, thinking it is something complicated for the young ones, and yet I currently know people in their mid 70s and even much older who are still as sharp as anything and use all the cool apps.
That’s for Eastern Europe. I heard a similar line of reasoning for banning rooted phones in Asia and it’s easy for me to relate to that. It seems as if first-world hackers here just don’t grasp how low criminals can and will go.
Perfect, I knew this would come up. It always does. "I don't want someone to convince my elderly relative to hack their phone and do something bad". It's such an infuriating argument - no, YOU can't have freedom to do whatever you want with the device you own, because MY elderly relative might get scammed.
>>I would prefer to just give them a device that can’t do that.
There are a number of phones available that can just do calls and nothing else. If your elderly relative cannot follow the most basic advice of "don't listen to people calling you and telling you to do something on your phone" then that's all they should use.
Like, honestly - if you think your elderly relative will follow a 20 step process to go to a dodgy site, run a bunch of commands to jailbreak their phone, then download an alternative store to MAYBE download a dodgy bank app....what stops them from just following instructions from a scammer to send their money urgently to this account they named because the bank is doing maintenance on their servers and the money needs to be moved now or be lost? I love these "elderly relatives" who simultaniously don't have 2 brain cells and will follow jailbreaking instructions but who won't fall for any much easier scam involving direct transfers, gift cards or even good old fashioned cash in an envelope.
That's the problem. There should be no restricted devices at all, not in the way currently presented by Apple and others.
>>It seems like you’re upset I want to buy an EV because you want to put gas in your car.
More like, you want to buy a car that's locked to only charging at Apple provided charging stations. I say every car sold should be able to charge anywhere from any station. But we're stretching the comparison thin.
Like they can try to lock some things down, and some of those barriers we may not be able to get around, but how much of enough of them will we be able to circumvent?
Ideally this would probably not affect newer hardened devices but could unlock a bunch of older otherwise "unusable" hardware that functionally is "e-waste" currently
iPhone is this phone. Easiest to use, customer-friendly, options for limiting apps, large icons etc.
But for some reason, despite the dominance of Android phones on the market, custom smartphones being released almost every month, you want the foolproof layer to be stripped from iPhone. Why?
And no one is forcing you or your elderly relative to jailbreak it.
>> you want the foolproof layer to be stripped from iPhone
No, I want you(and me) to have the ability to strip it.
>>Why?
Because I want to be able to jailbreak the device I own and run the code that I write without asking Apple for their blessing. It's not any more complicated than this.
The biggest risk is not elderly people but rather the owner giving their passcode to someone else, e.g. a repair shop, who then enables jailbroken mode without the owner's knowledge and installs malware.
You can mitigate this problem, and the elderly person problem, by requiring the phone to be factory reset. That way any jailbreak would be extremely obvious.
replacing my hn bookmark.
Also I'd happily jailbreak my iPhone and put an alternative OS on it to extend its lifespan. I'm a living human with nuanced opinions and I'm allowed to like more than one thing.
I'd love to have more control and customizability that the user can initiate, but random executables shouldn't be able to so much as sneeze without my permission. Third party software (yes, even the FLOSS variety due to issues such as supply chain compromises) must be treated as adversarial by default, anything less is foolishness.
Having some way to unlock an iPhone doesn’t at all imply it must be done in a way that reduces security, or trusts the average user with upholding it.
Use your imagination. They could require you to have an apple developer account. Or visit an apple store. Or even limit it to a special developer unlocked iPhone flavor.