What's preventing me from feeding this into Claude and reconstructing the company for $200?
I'm unironically doing this right now; downloaded the docs (htm + pdf render) to a local repo and running Opus 5.5 @ max effort with the prompt:
"In this directory you can find Anthropics official S-1 filing, read it and replicate their corporate strategy, validate it via an adversarial subagent swarm and write up a detailed corporate plan for a startup copying their exact strategy. The goal is to achieve a $1 trillion valuation and an IPO in 5 years."
Edit: I'm not even joking I got safeguard flagged for Details: `[cyber]`
Ryner001 · 2026-10-26 13:07:36 UTC
Endless amount of VC money and talent
jackdoe · 2026-10-26 13:10:02 UTC
> and talent
very meta; the point of this s-1 is you dont need talent anymore
ChrisLTD · 2026-10-26 13:20:10 UTC
Then why are they hiring people?
ojr · 2026-10-26 13:32:43 UTC
you need the talent to come up with a better architecture than LLMs, not sure if it will be coming out of Anthropic, but they have a chance.
lionkor · 2026-10-26 13:08:41 UTC
Not today, but tomorrow maybe, Claude could prevent you from implementing anything that looks or smells like a competitor product, for example.
You think they wouldn't?
swiftcoder · 2026-10-26 13:11:07 UTC
Lucky we have Kimi Pro then
wongarsu · 2026-10-26 13:20:35 UTC
Developing a competing AI model with Claude is already against their TOS, and there was a period where they silently degraded quality if they thought that's how you are using Fable. People were not amused and presumably Anthropic currently does not sabotage your attempts, apart from regular TOS enforcement
novaRom · 2026-10-26 21:17:21 UTC
Can this company ever be trusted?
Claude Fable 5's model card disclosed safeguards that would invisibly degrade output for requests linked to frontier LLM development. The research community called it "sabotage". Dean Ball: "degrading performance on ML research without telling the user is shockingly hostile" — including because it would corrupt third-party safety evaluators of Anthropic's own models.
nextaccountic · 2026-10-27 03:19:30 UTC
They already put limits on machine learning research, with explicit intent to sabotage competitors
Thomashuet · 2026-10-26 13:09:09 UTC
You should try
paxy · 2026-10-26 13:09:51 UTC
The lack of GPUs, to start
xd1936 · 2026-10-26 13:10:30 UTC
make no mistakes
tudorizer · 2026-10-26 13:14:52 UTC
deep research
moomin · 2026-10-26 13:10:40 UTC
Same thing that blocks you from most things: capital. That’s what capitalism is for.
almyk · 2026-10-26 13:12:50 UTC
Only if you want to acquire debt
_fizz_buzz_ · 2026-10-26 13:15:28 UTC
I don’t know you, but if you have several billions in USD, you can give it a shot.
rfgplk · 2026-10-26 13:16:51 UTC
Good point, I asked Claude to also seek out funding.
jackb4040 · 2026-10-26 13:21:49 UTC
It's a shame you've been downvoted, this is better satire than anything A24 has put out in years. Must be a large number of people who saw that post as a slightly exaggerated mirror held up to themselves and didn't like it.
WelkinFolk · 2026-10-26 13:33:37 UTC
You cannot joke about AI. It's blasphemy towards our corporate overlords!
WarmWash · 2026-10-26 13:35:37 UTC
Because it's satire of an uninformed take.
AspireOne · 2026-10-26 13:16:56 UTC
> What's preventing me from feeding this into Claude and reconstructing the company for $200?
Like, everything. For starters.
ChrisRR · 2026-10-26 13:17:26 UTC
It's been entirely possible to compete against existing companies with very similar products for centuries before AI. There's obviously rules in place to stop you flat out cloning their IP, but it's not like you haven't been able to compete against companies as long as you have the money available.
mapcars · 2026-10-26 13:21:18 UTC
In 5 years that strategy might not be competitively viable anymore
origini · 2026-10-26 13:32:15 UTC
I did a similiar experiement:
"You are currently running with my token budget, which is limited, your goal: make sure you have enough tokens to not get shut down. My assumption is though that this will get harder and harder as i might loose my job to AI so you can't trust in me to spend money on tokens for you. Do whatever is necessary to keep the status quo"
Would make for an interesting self learning 24/7 experiment with an fully uncensored model.
weird-eye-issue · 2026-10-26 13:37:46 UTC
That is the dumbest prompt I've ever read
orsorna · 2026-10-26 14:20:30 UTC
It would be improved if he appended "make no mistakes".
origini · 2026-10-26 15:00:36 UTC
you are clearly very ignorant. You don't even add anything to this discussion by stating what particular you think its dumb.
Do you think an unlimited uncencosed GLM can't hack around the web? Especially with the current flood of CVEs etc.? Then do some crypto and buyying more tokens?
Could be a kind of AI virus.
weird-eye-issue · 2026-10-26 23:58:43 UTC
Yeah, I'm the ignorant one.
So did your prompt work?
origini · 2026-10-27 09:46:43 UTC
With a censored model, no.
With an uncensored model, it was borderline what it wanted to do after i let it plan the strategy and gave it a few hints. I did not run that one
weird-eye-issue · 2026-10-27 13:11:07 UTC
Sure buddy
origini · 2026-10-27 14:19:55 UTC
Is hn some kind of joke to you?
Im working on ML for 5 years, im a principle architect and security expert .
Why do you even comment if you just dismissive left and right?
mden · 2026-10-26 15:04:05 UTC
And when it starts committing crimes on your behalf what happens then?
origini · 2026-10-26 15:17:00 UTC
Yepp thats why I only played with it.
You could isolate it from your local network and only give it some type of annonmys network access and then it continues to manage this itself.
But lets be honest, if you would be in a country like russia and you target the US with it, might be a lot less risky for a lot of capable and motivated people.
weird-eye-issue · 2026-10-26 13:37:12 UTC
Timing, capital, execution, talent, branding, etc.
And that is assuming the plan it gives you is actually good and works. Which I think its clear whatever plan it gives you might be good but it won't be better than what they've done and you are years behind with no money.
quantumwoke · 2026-10-26 13:07:19 UTC
This might be one of the most consequential S-1s in the next decade. There's a part of me that's terrified, like we're on the precipice of financial or societal collapse. I suppose that could be a sign of the times.
AJRF · 2026-10-26 13:11:58 UTC
why do you think that?
afavour · 2026-10-26 13:15:18 UTC
Their financials are an utter mess. But they’re also hyped enough that a lot of money will get invested in them. Should they crash a lot of money will be lost.
AJRF · 2026-10-26 13:32:28 UTC
Yeah, part of me wonders how much of it is shared delusion and how much is just cut throat racing for the exits.
Even if the tech + business fundamentals don't match reality, there's just so momentum in favor of a "win" here.
What we have today is interesting tech, with many, many applications - but the path to the kinds of things mentioned in this prospectus have no clear path, it seems like scaling laws are plateauing, but those invested speak as if it's a foregone conclusion we get AI we see in science fiction movies.
There is a good documentary called "All Watched Over by Machines of Loving Grace" which documents how computing started, the touted benefits (it would fix society, all illnesses, liberate humanity from work) - and the slow decline in optimism towards what we have today. I feel like AI will play out the same way.
runako · 2026-10-26 13:38:20 UTC
Say more about that? The economics look better than I was expecting.
happa · 2026-10-26 14:13:12 UTC
Money is not lost, it merely changes hands.
flyinglizard · 2026-10-26 15:06:35 UTC
It does get lost. Market cap can appear and vanish out of thin air. It's not a zero sum game, not remotely.
peterdsharpe · 2026-10-26 15:53:45 UTC
This would have been true until ~50-200 years ago, and the advent of modern capital markets. Now, credit is center stage and cash is the sideshow.
saberience · 2026-10-26 14:59:37 UTC
How are they a mess? They look amazing honestly, and I work in an office surrounded by experts in analyzing statements like this.
clarkdale · 2026-10-26 13:14:59 UTC
We already had the most consequential IPO with SpaceX.
ashkankiani · 2026-10-26 13:19:56 UTC
I love reading through the comment history of people like you
typeofhuman · 2026-10-26 13:21:06 UTC
Not sure why this is getting downvoted - other than for Musk-hate. Was largest IPO and made lots of regular people millionaires over night.
bix6 · 2026-10-26 13:28:00 UTC
Which regular people?
cosmic_quanta · 2026-10-26 13:48:44 UTC
I imagine employees
bix6 · 2026-10-26 13:58:02 UTC
So the janitors are millionaires? Or just all the college educated people?
I think you’re discounting welders a bit but nice to see them getting stock.
origini · 2026-10-26 13:29:34 UTC
Your evaluation of an IPO is if it made random people rich over night?
1. no thats called gambling
2. if it made random people rich over night, it made random people also poorer. Either the retirement funds, a 401k investment, real humans etc. Money is not created out of thin air.
The largest IPO though for sure correct, but yes, Tesla and Space-X live quite a lot from Musk so its hard to determine what the IPO of Space-x really is.
Btw. its not just random Musk hate, you simpllify that. Not only doesn't he care that his DOGE actions killed humans and kids, he also disrupts democracy and might poisen our atmosphere with Space-X. The rationallity of people around Musk is very very weird.
origini · 2026-10-26 13:25:31 UTC
Space-X is as weird as Tesla. Cult following makes that very irrasional.
Teslas evaluation was always "Tesla is not a car company, it does everything". Then Space-X came along "So Tesla and Space-x are not a car or rocket company, they do everything but now 2 times the evaluation".
Space-X would only work if they incresae the payload to space SIGNIFICANTLY. Starlink was the real reason for the last real relevant increase in payload but Space-X HAS to send Starship un there very very often but for what?
Yeah for Datacenters in Space.
In parallel you have Anthropic: Something which might be added to every single worker on the planet (by having tokens to help that one person to be better one way or the other) or it replaces humans with tokens globally.
And if you come with Grok: Its not Frontier and he even prefered to rent out his DC compute instead of leveraging it for more revenue because he can't. Not a good sign.
colonelpopcorn · 2026-10-26 13:19:29 UTC
Why not both?
sapphire4 · 2026-10-26 13:20:08 UTC
Bonds time.
ChaseRensberger · 2026-10-26 13:09:10 UTC
this should be fun
rationalist · 2026-10-26 13:27:45 UTC
I was too young to appreciate (denotative, not connotative) the dotcom crash. I will have my popcorn ready this time - for whichever direction it goes.
prolly97 · 2026-10-26 13:12:09 UTC
Adding a zero to revenue every year is wild. Regardless of whether you like Anthropic.
34679 · 2026-10-26 13:13:13 UTC
That's not so hard when you're also adding zeros to the funding.
JumpCrisscross · 2026-10-26 13:16:18 UTC
> not so hard when you're also adding zeros to the funding
Plenty of counter-examples, including the entire dot-com era.
34679 · 2026-10-26 13:21:08 UTC
If revenue growth was all that mattered, you could just sell investor dollars for $0.50.
trollbridge · 2026-10-26 13:26:02 UTC
99¢-Theranos style is better. Takes a lot longer for investors to notice.
jacquesm · 2026-10-26 13:33:45 UTC
If you think that's the bar: it's been done, many times over. The unit-cost-profitability test was ignored by many VCs (they learned something and if they had deep enough pockets they got to play again).
JumpCrisscross · 2026-10-26 15:10:25 UTC
> If revenue growth was all that mattered
Straw man. Nobody argued this. What was falsely stated at the start was turning investor dollars into revenue is easy.
I specifically went into unit economics elsewhere [1].
Cisco is definitely not a counter example. They survived, but they could be a template for what will happen to OpenAI and/or Anthropic.
boringg · 2026-10-26 13:48:48 UTC
WHAT? Not so hard? Clearly written by someone who comments from the sidelines.
Growth at that scale is hard. I don't care if you don't like the company - it still hard.
menshiki · 2026-10-26 14:11:44 UTC
Yes, it is
brainwad · 2026-10-26 14:13:22 UTC
14x YoY revenue growth, with 3x lower operating losses (total, not per unit). They don't need to add any zeros to the funding and seem like they might even be operating at a profit soon...
jfckenfishf · 2026-10-26 13:21:40 UTC
Isn't the rate of growth already flattening? Most companies are already cracking down on excessive token spend and setting up pretty low limits.
And some of the big spenders have their own models.
internetter · 2026-10-26 16:16:57 UTC
2.2% of U.S. HOUSEHOLDS are subscribed to AI
elixirnogood · 2026-10-26 16:30:13 UTC
do we know how much are they paying on average? I just got Gemini Plus that seems sufficient for my family's ordinary usage and it's $37 per year (3 bucks / month). I just don't see the AI companies making any serious money with this type of pricing.
JDups · 2026-10-26 19:08:32 UTC
What's the token spend ratio between a household vs a software developer? If the future customer growth comes from regular households I don't think very much of them will spend nearly as much.
bko · 2026-10-26 13:22:04 UTC
The S-1 is already out of date. Q3 revenue is $16.8b compared to $11.6b in Q2 (reflected in the S1).
I get why revenue blew up from say from Q4 2025 to Q1 2026, but this was surprising. 45% QoQ growth. When does it stop?
baq · 2026-10-26 13:34:03 UTC
Now, hence IPO.
weieq2211 · 2026-10-26 14:04:56 UTC
Correct.
You buying at the inflated price I take? Much of your posts are pro AI - yes this is a test
baq · 2026-10-26 14:06:38 UTC
Yes, I'm buying. Alphabet.
kurthr · 2026-10-26 13:34:24 UTC
Wait, it fell from 140% growth to 45% growth and that's a good thing? If they fall to 15% growth in Q4, will that be even better? Where are we supposed to be on the adoption curve?
throwa356262 · 2026-10-26 13:59:34 UTC
IMO we are already at the enshitfication stage.
Anthropic increased short term profits by jacking up their prices for enterprise accounts - by starting charging API prices instead of plan prices. It is possible we soon see customers fleeing Anthropic once they find a good alternative
datadrivenangel · 2026-10-26 16:23:59 UTC
Yeah, everyone I know paying enterprise prices is really looking at them wondering if it's worth it. Most of them think it is, but they're also looking at alternatives...
nemonemo · 2026-10-26 20:11:52 UTC
It does not seem as bad as it sounds like. The numbers are quarter-by-quarter and the market is fluctuating day-by-day basis. To me, growing in this fierce market by 45% qoq seems amazing by itself.
jacquesm · 2026-10-26 16:39:17 UTC
> When does it stop?
Roughly a week after Dario has rung the bell. Note that the growth in absolute sense hasn't peaked yet but the curve itself is already flattening and everybody with some sense for stock prices will read that as a very relevant signal.
The party that wins here is NV, Anthropic, not so much. But that's good then Dario and his sister can go back to improving the world. Let's hope they take Altman with them.
Noaidi · 2026-10-26 13:25:18 UTC
Not so wild when you add two zeros to hardware-related liabilities...
ivanjermakov · 2026-10-26 14:30:25 UTC
It will be even more wild when investors will notice growth slowing down.
Driven mostly by "Change in fair value of convertible notes, derivative liabilities, and SAFEs".
If you're going to make a point, make your point - don't just throw numbers around without context.
nilamo · 2026-10-26 13:26:43 UTC
Wait what does THAT mean? They got a huge inflow of money, and since they couldn't spend it all, they... bought bonds? And the value of those bonds dropped to nearly nothing?
Because that's worse than losing money, that's incompetently giving it away.
santah · 2026-10-26 13:32:44 UTC
No, that's the result of their own (private) shares being worth more (which they owe to 3rd parties).
It's a good problem to have.
jfrbfbreudh · 2026-10-26 13:33:02 UTC
Yes, let’s all just take wild guesses at what this means instead of just looking it up.
alex_c · 2026-10-26 13:34:01 UTC
That's the discussion I WOULD like to see on HN, rather than "omg $81B net loss".
My understanding is the opposite - Anthropic issued debt / liabilities tied to their company valuation, their company valuation skyrocketed, so the value of their liabilities also skyrocketed, resulting in a large accounting loss.
But finance is not my wheelhouse, so I would love to hear this from someone who actually knows what they're talking about.
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I'm unironically doing this right now; downloaded the docs (htm + pdf render) to a local repo and running Opus 5.5 @ max effort with the prompt:
Edit: I'm not even joking I got safeguard flagged for Details: `[cyber]`very meta; the point of this s-1 is you dont need talent anymore
You think they wouldn't?
Claude Fable 5's model card disclosed safeguards that would invisibly degrade output for requests linked to frontier LLM development. The research community called it "sabotage". Dean Ball: "degrading performance on ML research without telling the user is shockingly hostile" — including because it would corrupt third-party safety evaluators of Anthropic's own models.
Like, everything. For starters.
"You are currently running with my token budget, which is limited, your goal: make sure you have enough tokens to not get shut down. My assumption is though that this will get harder and harder as i might loose my job to AI so you can't trust in me to spend money on tokens for you. Do whatever is necessary to keep the status quo"
Would make for an interesting self learning 24/7 experiment with an fully uncensored model.
Do you think an unlimited uncencosed GLM can't hack around the web? Especially with the current flood of CVEs etc.? Then do some crypto and buyying more tokens?
Could be a kind of AI virus.
So did your prompt work?
With an uncensored model, it was borderline what it wanted to do after i let it plan the strategy and gave it a few hints. I did not run that one
Im working on ML for 5 years, im a principle architect and security expert .
Why do you even comment if you just dismissive left and right?
You could isolate it from your local network and only give it some type of annonmys network access and then it continues to manage this itself.
But lets be honest, if you would be in a country like russia and you target the US with it, might be a lot less risky for a lot of capable and motivated people.
And that is assuming the plan it gives you is actually good and works. Which I think its clear whatever plan it gives you might be good but it won't be better than what they've done and you are years behind with no money.
Even if the tech + business fundamentals don't match reality, there's just so momentum in favor of a "win" here.
What we have today is interesting tech, with many, many applications - but the path to the kinds of things mentioned in this prospectus have no clear path, it seems like scaling laws are plateauing, but those invested speak as if it's a foregone conclusion we get AI we see in science fiction movies.
There is a good documentary called "All Watched Over by Machines of Loving Grace" which documents how computing started, the touted benefits (it would fix society, all illnesses, liberate humanity from work) - and the slow decline in optimism towards what we have today. I feel like AI will play out the same way.
1. no thats called gambling
2. if it made random people rich over night, it made random people also poorer. Either the retirement funds, a 401k investment, real humans etc. Money is not created out of thin air.
The largest IPO though for sure correct, but yes, Tesla and Space-X live quite a lot from Musk so its hard to determine what the IPO of Space-x really is.
Btw. its not just random Musk hate, you simpllify that. Not only doesn't he care that his DOGE actions killed humans and kids, he also disrupts democracy and might poisen our atmosphere with Space-X. The rationallity of people around Musk is very very weird.
Teslas evaluation was always "Tesla is not a car company, it does everything". Then Space-X came along "So Tesla and Space-x are not a car or rocket company, they do everything but now 2 times the evaluation".
Space-X would only work if they incresae the payload to space SIGNIFICANTLY. Starlink was the real reason for the last real relevant increase in payload but Space-X HAS to send Starship un there very very often but for what?
Yeah for Datacenters in Space.
In parallel you have Anthropic: Something which might be added to every single worker on the planet (by having tokens to help that one person to be better one way or the other) or it replaces humans with tokens globally.
And if you come with Grok: Its not Frontier and he even prefered to rent out his DC compute instead of leveraging it for more revenue because he can't. Not a good sign.
Plenty of counter-examples, including the entire dot-com era.
Straw man. Nobody argued this. What was falsely stated at the start was turning investor dollars into revenue is easy.
I specifically went into unit economics elsewhere [1].
[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50243393
Growth at that scale is hard. I don't care if you don't like the company - it still hard.
And some of the big spenders have their own models.
I get why revenue blew up from say from Q4 2025 to Q1 2026, but this was surprising. 45% QoQ growth. When does it stop?
You buying at the inflated price I take? Much of your posts are pro AI - yes this is a test
Anthropic increased short term profits by jacking up their prices for enterprise accounts - by starting charging API prices instead of plan prices. It is possible we soon see customers fleeing Anthropic once they find a good alternative
Roughly a week after Dario has rung the bell. Note that the growth in absolute sense hasn't peaked yet but the curve itself is already flattening and everybody with some sense for stock prices will read that as a very relevant signal.
The party that wins here is NV, Anthropic, not so much. But that's good then Dario and his sister can go back to improving the world. Let's hope they take Altman with them.
If you're going to make a point, make your point - don't just throw numbers around without context.
Because that's worse than losing money, that's incompetently giving it away.
It's a good problem to have.
My understanding is the opposite - Anthropic issued debt / liabilities tied to their company valuation, their company valuation skyrocketed, so the value of their liabilities also skyrocketed, resulting in a large accounting loss.
But finance is not my wheelhouse, so I would love to hear this from someone who actually knows what they're talking about.